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Tuesday, April 8, 2008

You Can Land a Job, But You Can't Land a Man: Successful Women Remain Single

An article caught my eye earlier this week on MSN about the (apparent) amplitude of single, successful women who (gasp) may never find a man.

The article sites the following as the major obstacles these women are facing:
1. They want someone as successful as they are
2. Little time leftover for dating after work and other priorities

But there is one that stands out as the bigger issue:
3. They simply intimidate their male counterparts

I recently had a conversation with Guy I’ve Been Seeing about this very thing. I’m not exactly your prototypical hard-as-nails businesswoman. I don’t think they’ve existed since the ‘80s and the days of mandatory hosiery in the office, so let’s just kill that stereotype now. I am, however, very driven and motivated, like so many of my fellow successful Gen Y females.

Since high school, my intelligence and my inability to hide behind a pretty, artificially dumbed-down exterior has gotten in the way of my love life. I began to notice the trend in college, when one of my friends pointed out to me that guys were probably just intimidated by me. Me? I asked. I’m 5’ 3”, a buck-nothing. How is that intimidating? A boyfriend confirmed the theory. “You’ve always intimidated me,” he said. “You’re smart, but in a business way that I’m not.”

GIBS couldn’t believe this. “You? Intimidating? How?” he said. I explained to him about how most guys (I’m speaking from experience now) would rather have someone who is a little less complicated, a little easier, with a little more time on their hands… in essence, they would rather be the alpha. I don’t work well with that. I don’t like being the alpha either, though.

That’s where the real problems start to happen. It’s a difficult balance to find – a guy that challenges you would have to be at your level in some sense, pursuing his own goals, career, and success, who is also supportive of your success, and who is looking for that type of woman. Not to mention all the other little stuff people like in relationships, like compatibility, shared values and common interests, etc.

That’s not to say I haven’t had boyfriends. Up until the past year, I was in a string of long-term relationships since high school. The problem was that the guys I ended up with simply didn’t have the cojones to challenge me the way I needed to be back then. I’ve finally learned how to challenge myself, but I think I’d still like someone who is working on achieving his own big dreams and goals.

So, now here I am at 26, single for the first time since college and I’m being given a fairly bleak outlook. The more successful I become, the harder it’s going to be to connect.

But see, I don’t think these women are sitting around at home, crying into their Chardonnay about it. I think the article totally misses the point. These women aren’t willing to settle for anything less than what they want because the lesson their success has taught them is that they can achieve great things in spite of the odds. They are Whole People who aren’t okay with accepting anything less than another Whole Person.

Speaking for myself, I have accepted the idea that I could possibly never be married. Some people might say that this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don’t think it is. Fifty percent of all marriages in divorce, remember? A very small fraction of married folk believe their marriage could in divorce. Who’s fooling whom here? If I can be okay with being single for potentially the rest of my life, then I am not going to wait around to do things. I’m going to charge full force. And somewhere out there, there is a guy who thinks that’s hot. He’s the guy for me.

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13 Comments:

Blogger Da1starr said...

"And somewhere out there, there is a guy who thinks that’s hot. He’s the guy for me."

I totally thought I was going to see a ton of comments from guys(maybe a few women) saying "I think that's HOT! LOL!

Good blog! Like I tell our other mutual friend, you are running the race way too fast! Or at least thinking about that race too much! I think women should just go hard for what they WANT! As long as they don't forget what they want and how bad they want it. I think your blog makes sense if women/men totally decide that she/he doesn't want marriage or a relationship in the pursuit of her/his goals. I think the larger problem for these successful types(or inspiring successful types)is they prioritize one over the other because of fear or rejection. And that goes both ways...Get ready to laugh...but I just saw Mona Lisa Smiles(I know, but I only have two channels over here, ok!)What a inspirational movie! In that movie the characters clearly defined what was most important to them. For some it worked out, others (Sorry Mary Jane) it didn't. But I don't think (at least I didn't) you walk away from it thinking “Oooo these poor women. One can't find a man because she is too driven, and the other chooses a man because they are afraid to be successful”. On the contraire, you respect them for making a decision that was based on what they wanted, while also being open to the possibility that they could want something else. It’s just about knowing when your love life is more important than your career(and vice versa)…and when your sure you found that relationship, not being scared to change the dynamic of your ALREADY successful life…if it even requires you to do so!

April 9, 2008 at 12:23 PM  
Blogger Milena said...

Speaking as a woman who also thought she'd never get married, here I am, ridiculously happily betrothed at 27! My husband is one of the coolest people I've ever met and we both think we struck gold with each other. You are right about the "whole person" thing. Don't settle for less, you'll always look for more...

April 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, you want a man...for what? I am marries to my soulmate but let me share with you what we have witnessed! Women are self centered, hate pantyhose that make your legs sexy, which men love on a female...say a man should love them as they are!!! Let me share a bit of wisdom with you and it will only help those that really want it, to all others ignore please. If two people really love and want to make each other happy....they will treat each other as theirself, sacrificing to make them happy and of course ladies, wear shiny pantyhose daily, eh?

April 9, 2008 at 9:06 PM  
Blogger Ian Selvarajah said...

Very interesting article! Relationships are always tricky, no matter how old you are. While there are many men who feel uncomfortable with successful women, I know several of us who aren’t and a lot of what you said applies to why some of us can’t land a woman either.

I was reading an article (sorry can’t remember where), that discussed how high achievers are expecting the same characteristics and perhaps that could be the problem.

"...the guys I ended up with simply didn’t have the cojones to challenge me..."

I had an ex who consistently dated guys who were far weaker than she was. Trouble was, when we dated, she couldn’t handle the challenge, so that didn’t work out. Careful what you wish for! :)

I like to believe that relationships can be equally balanced, but there’s a part of me that feels that one person will generally have the upper hand, so if you have a strong personality, you might not necessarily want someone who’s as strong as you are! I’m still trying to figure this one out as I want a woman who will challenge me as well!

April 9, 2008 at 11:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with you that there's an intimidation factor, which now makes sense looking back at college. . . one of my professors was intimidated by me, so I can imagine how men in my age bracket felt.

April 10, 2008 at 1:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok first of all as a strong sucessful male I can say a strong, successful, driven woman is very sexy. I am extremely busy so I dont have a lot of free time. So I look for women who have similar qualities. The problem is that many women say they want a strong man but become intimidated by them. They tend to go for the whimpsters that allow them to run all over them and then become disenchanted rather quickly. Us "real men" don't always have washboard abs, perfect hair and teeth. We are normal men with strong characters, work ethics and energy.

April 14, 2008 at 4:50 PM  
Blogger Hot Alpha Female said...

Ok we need to be friends!! haha

Hey girl, thanks for dropping by my blog. I just read this post and im so glad that there are women out there who think along the same lines as i do.

You know this debate as to whether men are intimitadated by successful women is a long and debated one.

One that i dont think will ever really be resolved.

But here is the thing. I see what you are saying.N you know what. Some guys will be intimiatdated by you.

Thats just the way it is. Its not like we go out of our way to intimidate guys.

But it just happens. Neways the point is... if you are intimidating guys then they aren't the right guy for you.

Og course being a successful and independant woman is going to cut about 80% of the guys out of the target range.

But you know what? Thats fine. Because you only need one guy.

It caught my ettention when you said that you doubt if you ever get married.

Well i would say girl ... don't tell yourself that!!!

Your a great catch and because there is the right guy for you. N he is out there right now .. looking just for you =)

Hot Alpha Female

The Dating Game - Understand The Rules - Learn The Skills

April 20, 2008 at 10:28 PM  
Blogger Lance said...

This post and your recent comment on my blog about social value has got me thinking a lot. Firstly, I a lot of guys are intimidated by driven, successful women because they feel less confident, and further, threatened in terms of masculinity. This isn't news, but many men define their masculinity by their job status and station in life. If you're more materially successful than your male mate, it's almost a role reversal. I've seen several marriages where this was the case and it gets ugly. This is way you rarely see women with men who make less money than them. It's a friggin' landmine.

From my perspective, I find successful women are almost always more articulate, intelligent, and interesting to be around. This makes them attractive, but it has a drawback. Sometimes they're harder to get, because they've built up unattainable standards and walls against intimacy.

With that being said, as a social artist, I consider it my task, nay duty, to introduce these women to the delights of hot, lusty sex without attachment. Too busy for a relationship? Sweet. Let's just f**k.

April 28, 2008 at 9:36 PM  
Blogger Lance said...

I feel compelled to leave a second comment. Unprecedented! Must be a great post.

1) I think marriage is for chumps. 2) I'll probably get married one day. 3) Jobs, money, material possessions are actually meaningless. Relationships, with your friends and loved ones, and also with yourself, are what will count the most when your time in this world is done. Don't fall in the trap of neglecting your relationships. This is general advice to your readership, and not specifically for you, Holly.

April 28, 2008 at 9:43 PM  
Blogger Holly Hoffman said...

Lance,
I definitely see what you're talking about. And after watching my own parents divorce, I have firsthand knowledge of what disparity in income and career can do to a relationship.
As to unattainable standards, I have no knowledge of that myself. I haven't met these women, but I've heard of them, though mostly from guys who are emasculated by them. Which actually kind of makes me think that it has more to do with the guy than the existence of such women, though I'm sure they do exist.
Walls against intimacy I do understand. I didn't before I started running my own business, but having just met someone relatively interesting, for the first time I feel myself pulling back immediately. I don't have time for emotional attachment right now if I'm going to maintain the momentum I have in my career right now. So, yes, that exists.
As to hot, lusty sex without attachment, for some reason all the non-skeezy men seem to be on the lookout for a LTR. Or, that's just their game. If it is, they should readjust.
Finally, as to your comment on relationships (a rare crack in your icy cool exterior!), I wholeheartedly agree. I think that if you can't carry on important relationships with those who are close in your life, be it friends or family, you'll fail at the Biggest One.
I love reading your blog. Thanks for the comments!

April 30, 2008 at 8:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holly,

As someone who is pursuing a PhD, lots of guys have found me intimidating despite the fact that I make less money than they do. I have always also wanted someone equally successful, which is why I was the queen of first dates on Match. I never much cared--I wasn't going to settle and didn't have the time for some worthless (to me, anyway) guy who I'd just be miserable with anyway.

I'd actually given up on Match and decided to focus on my own stuff and have fun when I happened across the BF's profile on myspace...now it's two years later! Very strange considering he was moving to another city after our third date and I was his first date after ending a 3.5-year relationship. So I guess anything can happen. He's very successful at what he does, but has more financial obstacles to overcome so we're kind of on even footing.

There is some stress sometimes because he has always dated down in terms of education, intelligence, and career drive before...so while I am what he wants and we work well together, he is not used to someone who has goals and always has this moment of surprise and initial resistance when I insist we make my goals a priority. However, we've always managed.

As far as money, we're both trying to better our own situations as much as we can before we get married...the plan once we are is to consider our money "our money," and our debts "our debts," and not separate things into two different pots. We'll see how it goes.

April 30, 2008 at 11:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking as a geek girl, yes, there are men out there who like smart, driven, successful women and who can stand up to them.

My partner and I are well-matched, all the way down to the same quirky sense of humor. =) He's incredibly supportive and totally awesome - and a great inspiration for me, too.

Enjoy life, get out there and do things, and good things will happen!

May 7, 2008 at 10:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Men aren't intimidated. Divorce is common these days, and it's stacked against men (women initiate 2/3rds of them). So much for vows.

With so many young men growing up in homes without their dad around, how do you think that will affect their outlook on marriage? Why bother? She'll only divorce you, take the kids and make sure you never, EVER, see them again.

Unless a man really wants to be a daddy, there's little incentive to marry. Even then, he has to be willing to accept that there's a 50/50 chance he'll lose his family.

It's not intimidation girls... it's the broken divorce courts.

May 11, 2008 at 7:39 AM  

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